(Stillness in the Storm Editor) The following is an article attempting to debunk Q Anon material and information. Unlike most of the hit pieces coming out about Q Anon, this one was written by someone who painstakingly researched the Q material. He asserts that Q has provided false predictions, that the group behind Q has changed quite a bit, and even claims to know the original Q.
There are some worthy points to consider in this writing. As always we share this information not because we believe it but because we want to alert you to it, for you to consider it.
The fact that the deep state-controlled media is resorting to a much more comprehensive attempt to debunk Q Anon suggests that the audience is itself more intelligent, discerning and capable of critical thought.
Consider that the vast majority of the population barely thinks critically about anything. They don’t know how to evaluate a claim to discern if the evidence and argument used to support it has merit. The uninitiated masses tend to blindly believe whatever the media tells them. But Q Anon’s don’t, at least this is the implication.
In general, people who’ve gone through some kind of awakening experience and thereby learned the skills of discernment and critical thinking to some degree, possess a stronger mind. Using mindless appeals to authority works on the unthinking masses, but to one immunized against falsehood and disinformation, these methods aren’t as effective. Instead, the powers that be have to ramp up their efforts and use a more academic information-centric propaganda.
In my view, the fact that this attempt to debunk Q is so well researched, using actual Q posts, presenting counter-arguments, and drawing from alleged insiders, suggests the deep state knows Q Anons are much more intelligent. In other words, you can use disinformation campaigns to assess the target audience as well as how they are attempting to deal with the target. In this case, they designed a campaign that is more robust and clearly setting its sights on a more competent community. This is good news, it means people really are getting smarter and wiser through the great awakening.
That said, a great many people in my estimation still lack proper discernment and critical thinking skills. Epistemology, which is the study and philosophy of belief and knowledge, is an essential body of work to comprehend so as to gain true and valid methods for discernment. I’ve studied this material in depth for some time and can offer some points to consider in this regard.
Briefly, a claim is true because it accurately represents reality in some way. The only way to know this for yourself is to analyze the claim (properly understand it), research the components of the claim, and assess if it actually represents reality. It’s easy when we’re discerning something simple, like whether or not it’s raining outside. It’s harder when the claim’s subject matter can’t be personally observed—in those such cases we have to rely on possibility and probability assessments.
In this case, is it possible that Q Anon is a LARP and prank from other hackers? Yes, but is it likely given the overwhelming consistency of valid information pouring through Q? I’d argue no.
Things to watch out for in debunking attempts like this are appeals to authority. Since we lack insight into who Q actually is and where they get their information, it’s easy for someone claiming to be an authority on Q, the writer, in this case, to paint a picture that their opinion is clearly the right one, the most authoritative, and we should blindly believe everything they say.
In this case, the author asserts they have an insider who they say is the person behind Q Anon. And while they present a seemingly convincing argument, we can’t know for sure if it’s true. We can’t personally investigate what it would take to pull off such a LARP. Thus, combine an appeal to authority argument with uncertainty insofar as verification of that argument, and most people, even those who think more critically, can be tempted to reject their position on a topic so as to avoid any embarrassment that would come from being wrong. This is one tactic of the debunking attempt that I would argue is clearly present.
Ultimately, without a capacity to falsify or verify aspects of a claim, discernment requires keeping an open mind. It’s fallacious to conclude a claim is false because we can’t verify or falsify it.
So what do we do when something we believe or think is untrue is called into question? We get out of dualistic black and white thinking and step into the realm of multidimensional thinking. We have to learn how to entertain many ideas at once while also allowing ourselves to settle on a tentative conclusion. That is, you can read the below article, and try to force a conclusion you believe, or you can read it, explore the ideas it offers, and hold them in your back pocket while also letting yourself form your own conclusion. The challenge is to keep an open mind despite your opinion, so you don’t blind yourself to the truth.
All and all the fact the powers that be are resorting to such complex and elaborate debunking techniques is a good sign. It challenges us to discern better and learn the skills of epistemological knowledge seeking. If we can start to apply these skills to all areas of life, imagine what we could do?
– Justin
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Source – One American News Network
by Jack Posobiec, September 5th, 2018
For the past 10 months, an online movement has been picking up steam in America and has moved from imageboards and online forums to Reddit, to Twitter, and to YouTube. It leapt from the little screen to the big screen when people began showing up at political rallies wearing shirts and waving signs that carried the name of the movement: QAnon, or simply Q.
What is QAnon? Where did it come from? What is its purpose? And, most importantly, who is Q?
Q made its first appearance on the web forum “4chan” on October 31, 2017 as the “Q Clearance Patriot.”
However, several posts prior to this from Oct 28 also appeared to follow this posting pattern of Socratic method questioning, cryptic messages, riddles, and coded “drops” of information.
Here are the first Q posts:
Hillary’s Arrest to take place on Oct 30, 2017
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/146981635/#147005381
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/146981635/#147012719
Mockingbird
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/146981635/#147023341
National Guard deployment
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/147075091/#147104628
But, October 30th, 2017, came and went, and yet Hillary Clinton was not arrested on that day. The original intel drop never came to pass. And still hasn’t.
Instead, what happened on October 30th was quite the contrary. It was the exact opposite of the poster’s prediction. Trump campaign officials and advisors Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, and George Papadopoulos were all indicted. Manafort and Gates were placed under home arrest.
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This was devastating for the credibility of the original poster.
However, instead of ending the op, the posters decided upon a different tactic. They would ignore the real world facts, retroactively claim “Manafort was a plant,” and make even bigger predictions: The arrests of John Podesta and Huma Abedin. Then, finally, they gave the character a name.
The goalposts were shifted, and instead the first appearance of the “Q Clearance Patriot”, supposedly a member of military intelligence, arrived just one day after the Hillary arrest that never was.
One of the issues with this is that “Q Clearance” is not found in military intelligence. It is a Department of Energy designation, and deals exclusively with nuclear programs information. To date, QAnon has not posted insider information about US nuclear programs.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/147433975/#147433975
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/147433975/#147434025
This pattern of big predictions not coming true (such as the military parade) and the moving of goalposts and retroactive hand-waving explanation continues on and on throughout the posts of QAnon, which I read in full in while researching this piece. You can currently find them hosted here: https://qanon.app/
An extensive compendium which tracks the failures and false predictions of the Q posters in realtime is found here, and is regularly updated: https://old.reddit.com/r/Qult_Headquarters/comments/93v1ui/a_noncomprehensive_timeline_of_qs_failed/
One of the most glaring examples is here:
07/31/18 – For his 1776th post, Q uploads an image that’s supposed to function as ‘proof’ that he’s working with Trump (Trump’s signature + “#1776”). However, not only are the ‘#’ and ‘1’ very different from Trump’s own handwriting, but even Q’s followers found evidence that it’s another photoshop job.
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At one point, the Q posters decided to move from the 4chan message board to the 8chan message board. No explanation was given for this.
Later, the Q posters began using “tripcodes” which is a type of validation password for anonymous message board users. They claimed that these tripcodes were validated by the board moderators, and proved that only Q could post with them. However, these codes were repeatedly hacked and underwent frequent changes. Frequent changes took place during May 2018. Interestingly, the tripcode changes seemed to coincide with changes in the lineup of board moderators as new mods were brought in and old mods were kicked out of the group.
Recently, on 08/10/18, Q’s password was revealed yet again by a former believer attempting to reach out to those who are currently sucked in, and debunks the belief that Q’s passwords contain clues. This hacker posted all of Q’s former passwords, and explained they were made with a fairly amateurish encryption key, one that did not even meet the standads of the current intelligence community.
—-Who Began It
From the start, Q’s underlying message was that President Trump was working behind-the-scenes to arrest and prosecute his political enemies. There were also reports that he was secretly working with Robert Mueller to indict Hillary Clinton and members of the Democrat party.
However, there was always more to the story. Surely, there had to be someone behind all the cryptic posts. Was it truly a “Q-Clearance” holding patriot, or some other member of military intelligence?
Who was Q?
Would Q ever be revealed?
The answer, was actually more simple than all of that.
To an extent, I’ve always known who Q was.
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No, I didn’t follow all the posts in realtime, but when they started appearing in my mentions on twitter, or I would write up a story and post it, I would start to see people saying my story had already been coming, with a phrase that goes “Q predicted this.”
At first, I had no earthly clue what people were talking about or who this new source of information was. After a few days of this, I became curious, and began to track it back to 8chan, and before that to the original 4chan posts.
And then it hit me.
I thought back to a conversation I’d had months before with a pro-Trump Twitter troll who goes by the name Dreamcatcher. Dreamcatcher had been around during the 2016 election, and was a constant source of memes and ideas for new and original pro-Trump content. But, perhaps more importantly for our purposes, Dreamcatcher was close to Microchip.
Microchip gained infamy for his effictiveness in creating trending topics on twitter through high bot networks, and twitter’s numerous suspensions of him. He has been profiled in several mainstream publications and credited with having much more effect on the 2016 election in social media than any so-called Russian bot interference.
Months before, Dreamcatcher had told me about an “op” he was planning with Microchip that would plant bits and pieces of information on 4chan and act like it was coming from a high-level source inside the administration or the intel community. At the time he’d asked if I wanted to be a part of it. I declined.
Microchip, who now posts on Gab under his original profile and regularly denounces the QAnon movement’s transition from online forum community into a full-blown cult, started the conversation with his co-creator saying, “Unite the Right was pretty terrible for Trump, man.”
His partner, Dreamcatcher, replied that Richard Spencer, the progressive white supremacist, “is a moron,” and that the two should figure out a way to use 4chan to generate excitement among Trump’s most devoted followers.
Quickly, their venture picked up steam.
The use of unnamed intelligence agent “Anons” on 4chan is a practice that far predates the QAnon movement. During the 2016 election an anonymous user called “FBIAnon” claimed to be an FBI agent working on the Clinton investigation. Weaving together bits of publicly-known information and speculation, this user posted many times throughout the campaign to the 4chan imageboard. https://i.redd.it/6zq652jwnhuz.png
Microchip remembered this “Op” as he calls such online information operations.
“That signing FBIAnon is good too, looks spooky, but we should do our own thing,” one of them wrote. “[Let’s] use the Socratic method to question stuff… [people] flip sh*t on suggestions alone.” said Micro.
“Just sign it Micro,” Dreamcatcher replied.
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But the response was that they needed something more “sinister.”
And Q was born.
The letter was the perfect letter. It was used in a novel by Luther Blisset first published in Italian in 1999. In the novel, the setting is the 16th Century Reformation of the Catholic Church. It is also the clearance seal of the United States for access to the most secret intelligence matters including top restricted and formerly restricted data and national security information.
I will now post in full the original Discord chat logs where Microship, Dreamcatcher, and others planned their Operatations. For the record, I do know their true identities. We have decided not to reveal their personal information to the public to prevent retaliation against them. In this case, “Op Q”:
(POST IMAGES)
According to the logs, they tracks up with the Microchip group coming up with the plans for Q in August 2017. They then appear to have put the plan on hold when their Antifa Petition took off soon after. By the time that had run out of steam in October, they came back to the FBIAnon plan, tweaking it this time to be a member of military intelligence.
They saw it as a way to “take the offensive” in the wake of Unite the Right, and bring together the online Trump movement which was now fractured in their view. They brought together elements of Wikileaks (information drops), Pizzagate (pedophile elites), and Infowars (deep state threats to Trump) and wove them together in a way that would seem interesting as a “source” to the online community.
“This has to be simple, man jones does this all day, we can replicate,” Microchip stated in one message.
From the start Q was always meant to mirror an Infowars / Wikileaks narrative, with the key difference being that they would pretend Q was actually a high-level government source with inside knowledge about varied hot button topics with which the audience was already familiar.
Now, I know what you’re thinking.
This seems plausible, but if Microchip is a notorious internet troll, then how can we trust any of this?
I had the same question.
That’s why I asked Microchip to record a video of himself opening up the Discord app on his iOS and scrolling through on his screen to show the messages were not photoshopped or recreated in any way.
Here is that video.
To the extant that you are now thinking, well if is Microchip is a notorious troll, he could have just hacked iOS and Discord and made up these weeks of chat logs as a means to take credit for Q. Is that likely?
Now, that may very well be the case. But Microchip already has notoriety plus a significant online following and reputation. So, there wouldn’t be much benefit to him from spending all this time to come up with a new origin story and documentary evidence. And again, they told people at the time they were planning this Op Q. So, which is more likely?
In the course of reporting this piece, I had many occasions to speak with both Microchip and Dreamcatcher. You can find them both online, and they have both agreed to answer questions from press and public alike about the creation of QAnon.
I welcome skeptecism and questions about these chat logs. I am a skeptic myself, but in the the end, I decided it was best to release the information for the public to read and make up their own minds.
In the end, you decide.
– Q Arrives at Trump Rallies
So, how did this get so big?
How did a string of anonymous posts from Microchip and others on 4chan lead to t-shirts and signs at a Trump rally?
Well, that story has been told, by and large. It is longer, and far more complex to go through the cast of characters, trolls, internet researchers, followers, and believers who have entered the QAnon movement and found internet fame from it – not to mention raising substantial amounts of money acting as “Q Decoders”
Microchip and his cohorts dropped off on Q posts fairly early on. A new crew caught on to the Op. This crew brought the Q postings first from 4chan onto a new board controlled by themselves on the message board 8chan. They began to introduce the aspect of “tripcodes” and changing tripcodes to validate the Q persona. Then, they decided to find more user-friendly ground by founding Reddit pages such as CBTS (Calm Before The Storm) and TheGreatAwakening. Along the way many people came and went from the group posting as QAnon.
This crew has been named and reported on many times before here, so instead of going through all the expensive reporting, I will make a few summary notes.
The people currently making the most money off of Q appear to be the Patriot Soapbox group. Numerous times, their online user Pamplet Anon has revealed himself to have access to Q’s tripcode passwords, and has even accidentally posted as Q while logged in on 8chan on livestreams. He also once, embarassingly, was caught claiming a post was from Q that did not contain the actual tripcode validation – not that hard to figure out how he knew about the post when no one else did. He recently set up an LLC out of his parents’ house to take in more donations from Q followers.
There are others in the QAnon movement such as the user PrayingMedic who fashion themselves instead as spirital Q guides and mix Christian theology with Q posts and the ongoing 8chan narrative. On his Patreon page, where he currently hosts 492 patreons, PrayingMedic claims that QAnon appears to him in his dreams and only those who pay extra to him on Patreon can receives his exclusive Q decodes.
This is the current state of QAnon online.
—For More Information
There has been much and more posted online about Q and people who have left the movement. I recommend the following resources:
https://old.reddit.com/r/Qult_Headquarters/
— What Next?
For those who followed this online movement, this information may come as somewhat of a shock, but hopefully, this information will be seen as a helpful reminder to question anonymous sources on the internet, and to remain skeptical of claims when events and situations take other directions, as has been the case here.
While the people involved in this movement may have began posting as Q for whatever reasons, the fact remains that people did enjoy these posts and this form of information. Perhaps that can be the starting off point for a new series of riddles and puzzles and a new type of information system. There certainly appears to be an interest in it – but from the start, whoever ends up running it should always be honest, open, and truthful about who they are, and their motives.
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Justin, Justin, Justin, So close. yet so far away. You nearly confirmed for yourself AND everyone reading the article that Q is legit by the very simple fact that MSM is really making a concerted effort to label it as a Crazy Conspiracy _____ . If it is just that, then WHY the Massive Concerted effort to discredit? It’s a LARP. Do a google search see how many returns… close to 4 million. Here’s the excerpt from your article where I thought you were going to “get it’ or get awoke! In my view, the fact that this attempt to debunk Q is so well researched, using actual Q posts, presenting counter-arguments, and drawing from alleged insiders, suggests the deep state knows Q Anons are much more intelligent. In other words, you can use disinformation campaigns to assess the target audience as well as how they are attempting to deal with the target. In this case, they designed a campaign that is more robust and clearly setting its sights on a more competent community. This is good news, it means people really are getting smarter and wiser through the great awakening. {So ask yourself, if it’s so well researched, and all these articles coming about by MSM, and it’s supposedly a LARP… the question begs… Why all the attention for a LARP?
You lost me. How did I miss the mark exactly? I said that the attempt to debunk Q Anon in this article is more high resolution than the usual trite debunkings we see. And this suggests the people buying into Q Anon are not swayed by the MSM. Thus, this suggests a population of people are actually capable of critical thinking, in some measure anyway.
I never said Q Anon was a LARP. I don’t know if it is or if it isn’t.
David Willcock’s inside sources have confirmed Q’s disclosures. Time will tell.
I Like this: “We get out of dualistic black and white thinking and step into the realm of multidimensional thinking”. If I think Qanon is a LARP or not, it doesn’t matter, I can’t verify one way or another, so it’s irrelevant. My opinion only matters to me, so it gets almost no consideration in my assessment of reality. An ultimate reality, may or may not exist, but my 6 senses can only detect a VERY tiny slice of it, so it can’t be relied upon to make accurate assessments of everything I come across. What’s actually HAPPENING in your world as a result of Qanon?
In MY little slice of reality people are waking up, seeing the 2-party lie for what it is, starting to realize they’ve been had, starting to question authority, trying harder to escape the matrix, looking for ways out, new ways to approach life. In my world Qanon is giving me red-pill ammo to shoot holes in the matrix display in the minds of my fellow mankind. In my world if Qanon is a LARP, it’s heaven-sent, a divine appointment Humanity has with Truth. If Qanon is complete lies, it makes no difference to the outcome. Not even the gods of old could overcome The Fates. In my little world, true or not, for better or worse, Qanon is quickly bringing our (Humanity’s) predestined appointment with OUR truth. Because Ignorance is NOT bliss it is the foe of all that is Good and right with reality. Ignorance is the foe I’m determined to hammer into irrelevance. The “cabal” isn’t really our enemy, they are US on our worst day, living in fear and utter ignorance of The Creator’s Agape Love for All. The cabal is what happens when we surrender to ignorance and live in fear.
So what are YOU going to do with Q? You gonna cover your eyes and cower in the corner defeated by falsehoods? Are you going to sit there like an insulate child arguing every detail? OR… Are you gonna use this opportunity to get YOUR truth out there?
One of the issues with this is that “Q Clearance” is not found in military intelligence. It is a Department of Energy designation, and deals exclusively with nuclear programs information. …… Interesting since Jimmy Carter Worked for an admiral who started that classification when they BUILT THE NUCLEAR NAVY…… It has been used by Navy as well as other MIL Intle Groups Extremely few used it Spec FORC GROUPs
sooo yourrrrrr FIRED Joe
“Q” is not one person— don”t believe this article. Do your own research!
And how, pray tell, does Posobiec explain away the numerous photographs Q has posted on board Air Force 1…in the President’s private office on board the plane sitting at his desk giving the thumbs up surrounded by some of his staff, or on the flight to meet Kim Jong Un, or the Presidential motorcade on the freeway heading towards one of his rallies in Florida which was filmed by motorists who’d pulled over to wave flags as they drove past and who were holding up signs saying something like “honk if you support Q”…and the vehicle’s carrying Trump’s security detail did just that, or posting information less than an hour BEFORE the President himself posted the same thing? That being so, are we to believe that “Microchip” or “Dreamcatcher” are actually part of the Presidential security detail? And of course it’s just mere coincidence that this missive Posobiec has written has come out at EXACTLY the same time as the multiple other COORDINATED articles penned by almost every major newspaper coast to coast. They were all SO transfixed on taking down Trump any way they could that they took their eye off the ball. They paid it no heed until they saw the massive Trump supporting movement that Q had generated…the Great Awakening…and they cottoned on to its power too late in the game…WAY too late to put the genie back in the bottle. Q is no longer just one man, or a body of people, Q is everyone. Job done. People have woken up, and no matter what MSM and their minions do from here on in, they’ve lost control. The people are on the march.
I wasn’t planning on responding to this post, but ultimately felt compelled to do so. The Q movement is dangerous. The original Q was quite brilliant in that they focused on the individual. Establishing a line of questioning that pushed the reader to think for themselves and question the information that we are constantly bombarded with from the Mainstream Media. Question the programming and see for yourself that the continued narrative is nonsense. A brilliant tactic, but NOT anything someone in Military Intelligence would do.
I spent a number of years in specialized areas of Military Intelligence (MI) and what I can offer is this as it relates to Qanon. The intelligence community is somewhat unique in that they have very strict procedures for the collection, processing, production and dissemination of information. This is one area that Jack Posobiec missed in his review of the Qanon movement. I believe he was speaking from his understanding of the MI community but it wasn’t integrated into his assessment.
Intelligence is all about actionable information for war fighters on the battlefield. Identifying and outline the enemy situation, capability and threat to US forces. Your primary responsibility as an Intelligence operative is to gain information that is useful and relevant to the enemy intentions, operations, capacities and force structures. WE DO NOT PLAN OR FOLLOW PLANS. We collect, process and produce intelligence information into usable products for decision makers to develop strategy and plans.
Thus, the one assertion from Q “Trust the Plan”, essentially outlines the fact that this IS NOT a Military Intelligence Resource. Who’s plan are you trusting exactly? What interests does this plan represent? More importantly, any intelligence person worth their salt will tell you that all plans are only good until the first round goes down range, then it becomes useless. Intelligence is not about FOLLOWING PLANS. We follow information and sources to develop products that allow for planning. As I stated earlier, the process and doctrine for the intelligence community is well established for a purpose. The products we produce set in motion operations that involve human lives. Guessing is not an option, nor is speculation. You have to work from verifiable sources that have verifiable information, lives depend upon it.
The next assertion by Qanon that further illustrates this point is the statement “Trust Sessions…”. NO. Just NO. The first rule of intelligence is objective skepticism and trust NO-ONE. You cannot ever assume that anyone is operating in anything but THIER OWN BEST interest. Ultimately, human nature is survival of self. The moment you assert that you know something or someone is the moment you stop being objective and lose the ability to maintain a perspective that is useful for the purpose of producing effective intelligence products.
If we look at why the Qanon movement is dangerous, its because it has become a religion. People blindly follow and quote this as a credible source. There is nothing credible about Qanon. Anonymous sources are just that ANONYMOUS. (Intelligence resources will identify themselves and thier sources.)
What I find shocking is that the people who follow this movement are so dependent on the almighty words of Q, that they cannot believe there is any possibility that it is a scam. How do I know this? I spent a few days on the Patriot Soapbox discord servers and was frankly alarmed by the number of people mesmerized by the idea of Qanon. They actually believe the President and his staff are speaking directly to them cryptically, disseminating classified information via Qanon. Think about that for a few moments. The dissemination of classified information via a system that is not secure and through an anonymous source. I am sorry to say, this is NOT how classified information is EVER disseminated. Regardless of circumstances or wartime footing, this would NEVER occur. Not to mention the number of laws that would be violated in doing so.
If the Q community would take a step back and look, the President IS speaking directly to you on Twitter! If I were to offer any advice to the Qanon community, it would be simple this, question everything especially your own beliefs. Objectivity and discernment starts and ends with you. If you allow someone else to form your beliefs, then they are not your own and you are in the literal sense programmed. Protecting a source simply because the source tells you to do so, is not objective, its blind allegiance and acceptance. Credible sources reveal themselves, and do so in a way that allows for the broader community to verify what they claim as truth. I have yet to see any sources revealed or verified by Qanon. Additionally, I should mention that Q-proofs are not verifiable evidence, they are anonymous source artifacts manufactured to provide the appearance of being verifiable. I.E. the source providing proofs for the source, verses a independent resource supporting with evidence the artifact of the source.
Blindly following a religion is giving over your power and freedom to another. Regardless of what these individuals or groups promise the only interest they are working for is their own, not yours. Get off your knees, take back your power and find the truth as it applies to you and only you.
Just my thoughts on this topic.
The President of the United States of America has acknowledged Q at least on a few or several occasions. I’m sure he’ll knock it down, too, if Q is out of order.
On a much smaller scale of insiders, Corey has also acknowledged Q, and in the beginning, Corey even operated as Q does now, sending coded messages to other operatives. via the internet.
Whatever Q may have started out as, it’s an information system now, not just to the hungry public, but to untold numbers of operatives behind the scenes bringing down this Cabal / 4th Reich evil empire.
I’m grateful.